In may 2014 3 researchers write a paper entitled
which has 65 references to JSONiq.
which has zero references to JSONiq.
Dear David (Dewitt)
I had this discussion on Linkedin this morning
https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516
Look at the last comment from CouchBase, defending his turf and telling me
âWe have SQL luminaries!â
:-)))
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Partly because the real reasons engineering reasons why SQL is
desirable as a query language have become subservient to the commercial
ones (non-techies are used to it and we already know it). A moments thought
and you will realise that is a formula for technological rigor mortis -
there would never be any progress. The engineering reasons are,
declarativity, logical and physical data independence and built in query
optimisation. These in turn brought several ergonomic advantages to
database development which hierarchical and network databases lacked. That
being the case a language like JSONiq that has those attributes wins but
what is happening here is not about science or engineering and if you give
an academic funding to solve a problem that has already been solved from an
engineering and semantic perspective he is not going to turn it down and to
be fair its' still an interesting question. God know's how much is being
spent on this and there is no guarantee of a product at the end. show
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Dana, trust me, we have SQL luminaries :)
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David, when this guy from CouchDB is boasting that they have âSQL
luminariesâ working on this silly N1QL,
I really hope heâs not talking about youâŠ.or no-one else on this list.
I have a huge respect for you, and I would very much like to keep it this
way.
Whoever those âluminariesâ this guy is talking aboutâŠ. I guess that at
some point we will need to have a PUBLIC scientific
discussion.
But I would like to keep it at the level of âscientificâ discussion.
Not âmy language is transcendental, yours isnâtâ (!??).
Ot threatening 60 years old people to be fired if they donât say what you
want them to sayâŠ.
Ot other little creepy stuff like that that companies doâŠ..
Best regards
Dana
Dear Microsoft people, (David, Michael, Donald)
I KNOW for sure that, other then Oracle, Microsoft is involved into this
âagreementâ around this totally shitty N1QL (WTF !???)
(not sure yet about IBM⊠but about to figure that out âŠ)
I didnât involve Microsoft publicly (yet) because I (still) have respect
David Dewitt, Donald Kossmann, and Michael Rys, and I didnât want to hurt
you, personally.
Donât disappoint me my kindness, please.
If you get silly, and you personally get on the side of Oracle, Roger
Bamford, Gary Bloom, and the rest of technical idiots on this cc,
******I DO NOT GUARANTEE POLITICAL ASYLUM********
PLEASE DO NOT BE TECHNICALLY STUPID.
YOU KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, I WILL BE SMARTERâŠ..and I know more on the
subject then all of you put together.
I also know that you personally might not be involved in this JSON
decision.
Please be kind and pass along my message to the Microsoft âauthoritiesâ
in charge: STAY FUCKING CLEAR FROM HURTING JSONiq.
From now on, I will take no prisoners, and ANY technical stupidity will be
VISIBLE on print.
The beauty of social mediaâŠ...
Best regards
Dana
*Date: *June 3, 2015 at 7:50:25 PM PDT
*Subject: **Re: [xquery-talk] not sure if I should laugh with big tears
or cry with big tears...:-)))))*
1. ISO will look at them like they are crazy when they send a language
specification in Powerpoint
2. Theyâll scratch their heads and probable write SOMETHING that ( kind
of ) makes sense
3. That SOMETHING written up will extend (some bastardized subset of) SQL
4. In the process, they forget that SQL in 2015 looks like THIS :-))))))))
http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-99.bnf.html
(good luck, guys!!!! You complain that extending XQuery is hard. Well,
try THIS then :-) Ha, Ha, Ha âŠ..))
5. That SOMETHING will look just like SQL-XML,. which disappeared in the
hole it came from... as soon as it was on printâŠ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL/XML
6. They will pay a lot of âbloggersâ to convince gullible people that SQL
is the perfect âqueryâ language
for semi-structured data. YES. But only if you have negative IQ and have
no idea about semi-structured data.
(unfortunately there are lots of those)
Some of those guys already argue with me (very annoyingly to be honest,
and without ANY knowledge of databases) on Linkedin
(if those companies choose people to argue with me⊠at least choose
someone who can hold a scientific argument with meâŠ. at least
make it a little fun for meâŠ.please âŠ..)
https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/54257-6010072547398336516
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And I just told you my best guess. Itâs nothing then a simple âhunchâ,
without any proof to it.
The three companies that âmake" this N1QL a success are: CouchDB,
MarkLogic and Oracle.
I worked long enough at Oracle to recognize the âtouchâ of stupid
politics, in top of a basis of bad technology.
And MarkLogic, given their executive people are only coming from Oracle,
is likely to behave the same.
And I right, guys ??? Oracle ? MarkLogic ? Any comments ?
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Did I tell you, guys ??? I LOVE guess games âŠ. :-)))))))
I enjoy them !!!!!
Bring some more !!!!
Have a great evening everybody,
Dana
All that effort into designing a language that has no published
specification, will almost certainly never be a published standard and
therefore no financial institution will be prepared to pay a N1QL for.
Stupid is as Stupid Does.
Post by daniela florescuI guess I should cry with big tearsâŠand not laugh at all.
Even smart people like Kurt Cagle would like to see this âinexact science
languageâ (because there are two kinds of
sciences, one exact, and one inexactâŠ..) standardized as ISO âŠ.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/n1ql-couchbase-brings-sql-json-kurt-cagle
The world is weird.
Dana
I copy and paste here from Linkedin my conversation with one of the top
scientists of on of the top NoSQL databases: CouchbaseâŠ.
"Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This
is still an inexact scienceâ :-))))))))
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Dana,
Please consider real world deployments, not academic endeavors....This is
still an inexact science.
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Dear,
you have a query language implemented, and you have no specification written for it !???
That's weird to say the least.
I never heard of a programming language (because a query language is a
programming language...), whose specification is only in Powerpoint.
Sorry, I don't have time.
If you have a specification written, please send it to me, and I'll give
you an honest feedback.
Best
Dana
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Daniela,
Couchbase Connect 15 going on this week at Levis Stadium in Santa Clara.
You should check it out. We are talking up our query language N!QL.
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